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The best pre-negotiation tool may be a coffee


If you feel that a win-win style will work for you; then you need to give a little to get a little before you can finalise a strategy.

Prior to starting one on one negotiations, you need a forum for pre-negotiation discussions and I much prefer a coffee to a phone line.coffee

Naivety, experience and lack of preparation are not good prerequisites for the sorts of meetings I outline below, so if you don’t feel it’s you or if you have loose lips then engage a professional.

Background: Lyndon and Helen are considering a pre-auction offer, so I suggested to them that I meet with the selling agent first. The agent is Michael and we met at Laurent in Rd.

Note: the dialogue that follows  may look scripted and cagey (on both sides)  – but it’s real life.

Mal: Good to see you again, Michael.

Michael: Still a latte? My shout!

Mal: Yep, your team is looking strong.

Michael: Better than FBJ’s … and so are the Blues, which I think is what you are talking about. (Both smile),

Mal: Thanks … I needed the caffeine.

Michael: How can I help? You have a question on Chrystobel, which has started well. We seem to have around the high ones and …

Mal: The vendor?

Michael: Nice people. They may have a different view to this changing market but, as you know, time will tell. I think the home will sell well – good position, very light, lots of space …

Mal: You can do my rating report!

Michael: And your question?

Mal: I have got a new client.

Michael: Whose name is?

Mal: A new nameless client who likes their privacy and who may well be your buyer.

Michael: Mmm, that’s interesting. Continue…

Mal: May well be the buyer on Chrystobel now…

Michael: … Meaning?

Mal: … Got ?

Michael: Just hit my desk. Are you meaning a deal now? Needs to be strong – over $2 million.

Mal: Do you think the vendor would entertain a pre-auction offer? Have they bought or is this a sticky one?

Michael: Let’s leave that … a pre-auction offer may be viewed with some merit.

Mal: Some merit?

Michael: It’s a possibility, need to be very strong.

Mal: Of course. How very strong?

Michael: Very strong.

Mal: Say around $2 million-ish?

Michael: Circle that, yes.

Mal: Circle 2. OK. Preferred terms?

Michael: Flexible – they haven’t bought.

Mal: So would I be wasting time with an offer?

Michael: Depends.

Mal: Try not to be too helpful, Michael. Have you had any offers?

Michael: I’m happy to go to auction. You’re making the running. I will present whatever you put forward and, yes, we had a verbal before the campaign over $2 million.

Mal: Wow! Do they regret not taking it?

Michael: Not sure. They may get more at auction.

Mal: Really. So if I put in an offer around $1.9 million, you wouldn’t recommend it?

Michael: I doubt it.

Mal: You wouldn’t reject it outright?

Michael: Not my decision to make; that is the vendors’.

Mal: My clients …

Michael: … your nameless clients …

Mal: … my nameless clients have a decision to make between Chrystobel and another home auctioned a week earlier.

Michael: Oh … really Mal! (Both laugh)

Mal: Michael, I can only tell you the truth … (Both laugh). OK, their desire to offer may not be here at auction … (silence) … Michael, I’m feeling like a shag on a rock. Give me some guidance please.

Michael: Why not just come to the auction?

Mal: Why not indeed, but your vendor may not be getting best price.

Michael: Thanks for thinking of my vendor. Have they got $2 million?

Mal: Would that buy it?

Michael: Maybe – certainly would on the day.

Mal: I’ve never heard that line before (both smirk) so …

Michael: So….

Mal: So, do you think I would be doing both our clients a disservice putting in a pre-auction offer?

Michael: I think you should think about it. As you know, I will put anything up and, assuming your clients offered something strong, then my vendor may ……. go either way. I would appreciate no tomorrow-night deadline. I’ll still deal with your client’s offer, but I’ve got my son’s footy and, just in case you’re not hearing me, I may find it hard to contact the vendor, if you get my drift.

Mal: Got it. No deadline offer tomorrow. In return, do you think you could make some general enquiries how an offer may be viewed at this stage?

Michael: I could, but you would need to be over $2 million and unconditional – eg lawyers signed off, building inspections completed and finances organised. I wouldn’t recommend a conditional offer.

Mal: Procedure … post-offer if acceptable is …

Michael: Usual – I will ring the other buyers, then maybe a boardroom auction.

Mal: You’re sworn to secrecy on my client’s offer …

Michael: (Pause) … Mal, you know I enjoy doing business with you …

Mal: 120 days is preferred by your client?

Michael: Yes… Mind if I take this call? Have we finished? Shall I be hearing from you soon?

Mal: No, yes and maybe. Thanks for the coffee.

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Stock is coming on – prices are going where….?


Canterbury 23 Chaucer: James Tostevin of Marshall White: Great atmosphere with three bidders over $3,800,000 - a strong result. Bought after undisclosed.

23 Chaucer: James Tostevin of Marshall White: Great atmosphere with three bidders over $3,800,000 - a strong result. Bought after; undisclosed price.

At 6pm on Saturday the James Million-Dollar-Plus clearance rate was 50% for the 38 auctions we attended. Of note is the fact that only 1 in 4 sold under the hammer.

On Sunday the post-auction clearance rate rose to 66% on all 61 monitored properties. That tells us that the market is right on the brink, but still limping over the line. We’ve been seeing these kinds of significant differences between “under the hammer” and “post auction” clearance rates for a few weeks now (see last week as well), a very different situation from earlier this year. As , and for you as buyers, that tells us a number of things about post auction and private sale negotiations.

Bidderman, our Indicator, has dropped significantly to only 1.2 bidders per auction. Almost 1 in 3 auctions had no bidders at all. This was our most significant stat of the weekend and a key indicator  going forward – let’s see if it bounces back in two weeks.

Market: The clearance rates might not show it – but the market was soft this weekend. Many agents and reporters described a real hesitancy amongst buyers and the $M+ Clearance Rate and Bidderman confirms that. Now is possibly the start of another downward price trend, especially with on the rise. Possibly it’s an election slowdown or maybe buyers are seeing more choice coming into Spring and are acting accordingly with reservation and only when it makes sense. Wow! September has more excitement on offer than just Collingwood.

But conditions are varying widely across the different council areas. If you are in Bayside, for instance you may be thinking that very few buyers bid at auction any more. You would also be seeing plenty of stock around, some which has been there for a long time (especially over $2m). So with plenty of coming on, you are probably thinking prices are likely to be weak in Spring in Bayside.

If you are in Boroondara you are probably seeing some heat building up in the market, with good stock attracting good competition and most things selling on the day or soon after. You can see more stock coming on but you know you are probably in for a fight. But you can also remember May and you know if too much comes on it could well be a buyers market in Boroondara this Spring.

If you are a buyer in Port Phillip you may be thinking that the market is still a bit sleepy and hasn’t started any sort of Spring run – either in auction numbers or new stock.

Finally, those of you in Stonnington are probably a bit confused – some things are selling that shouldn’t and some aren’t that should. You are likely aware that the market is very price sensitive but you haven’t as yet seen the Spring stock surge start and like all of us you are not sure if and when it will.

Agent Opinions: This week we followed up on the $3m+ market asking agents: “Where is it?” Their full answers are in the Market wraps, but here is a sample of what agents are saying:

Richard Winneke, Jellis Craig: “Three auctions this weekend all over $3m – that will be a true indicator  – if only one or two sell then sellers will be cautious putting property on the market. Buyers out there at that level, but they are also cautious. Market at lower level is very different. Not seeing a great amount coming on in the higher level – 8 properties over $2m in September for Jellis Craig which is not huge, at least a third down in terms of numbers compared to last year.”

Activity and Stock Levels – The graph below shows New Stock ($million+) in Boroondara, Stonnington, Bayside and Port Phillip. To note:

  • Consistent big stock levels until end of May
  • Big drop in mid June stock levels
  • Steady build from mid July

NewHomeStock

Highlights and Lowlights

  • No bidders in Sandringham today at the three auctions we attended. At one of them Steve Tickell, of Hocking Stuart, curiously said he was testing the market by not offering an opening bid, or any …and passed the property in without announcing any amount at all… Stephen, what did we all learn here?
  • The biggest result was at 23 Chaucer Canterbury with Marshall White’s James Tostevin firing up 3 bidders to reach over $3,800,000.
  • Check out the video auction of John Bongiorno at 10 Walerna Glen Iris in the Auction Reviews Section.
  • Credit where credit is due: Auctioneer Kaine Lanyon of deserves mention today for achieving a great result for his clients while keeping the crowd well entertained at 76 Spring Street, . He did so with a combination of wit, charm and humor that only a skilled auctioneer can execute. In my opinion he did affect the outcome and I am sure many people left the auction convinced he single-handedly pushed at least one of the parties over and above what they intended to spend – Author David McMillan.

BidderBuzz Auction of the Day

64 Maud St North – Julian Tonkin, Jellis Craig – 4 bidders, sold under the hammer – $2,015,000 Maybe it was auctioneer Richard Earle’s comprehensive preamble, or maybe it was the comfort of an indoor auction. Whatever it was, this auction got off to a flying start with a genuine opening bid of $1,800,000 from the 60 people present. Two more bidders joined in, resulting in an intense three horse race. When it seemed to all that the property was going to be bought at $2,000,000, a fourth bidder jumped in out of nowhere to be the successful buyer at $2,015,000. A strong result.

The wind was up and so was the price. David Lack gets a solid result post auction - over $2,250,000. 2 bidders. Port Melbourne 2 Swallow.

The wind was up, their tails were up and so was the price. David Lack gets a solid result post auction - over $2,250,000. 2 bidders. Port Melbourne, 2 Swallow.

Are Special Conditions costing sellers BIG MONEY?

Sellers may be costing themselves big dollars all in the name of legal “protections” they would never agree to if the buying shoe was on the other foot.

devilOne prominent conveyancing company claims to be protecting their selling clients with a list of clauses in their selling contracts – but in fact their efforts and attitudes are causing buyers to walk away from deals. In this market that is not a good step for sellers.

If you watched the two latest episodes of Channel 7’s “ Under the Hammer”, particularly the one about the Yarraville auction which featured one of our buyers, you’d be interested to know that the real drama wasn’t what you saw on TV but what happened behind the scenes with the 20 or more phone calls and emails between auctioneer Adrian Butera and our company just to get our buyer to the starting line. It was all about this conveyancer’s Special Conditions.

In Victoria when we buy or sell a home the paperwork we are required to agree to is made up of a number of sections. These include the particulars of sale price, settlement arrangements and chattels; normal contractual conditions governed by the REIV and the Law Institute; and Special Contractual Conditions.

With regards to the Special Conditions sections the conveyancing firm we are referring to is putting in clauses or conditions that are interpreted by our clients’ buying solicitors as meaning that:

  • If the home burnt down, the buyer would still have the pay the seller the purchase price in full.
  • If the seller couldn’t provide title (we thought that is what you were buying) – they would still have to pay all the money to the seller. (We’re sure the banks would love that idea – NOT!)
  • Some of these special conditions may affect the buyer’s ability to insure the home they buy.
  • If the buyer had a dispute with the seller, they would still have to pay the seller in full and only after could they dispute.

Back to the Yarraville auction: it took three days and all those phone calls and emails, but the sellers finally agreed to strike out the special conditions.

Even though things have been quiet, we still managed to get 5 $M+ homes over the line this last week in East(post auction), Balwyn North (off market), East (under the hammer), Port Melbourne (pre campaign) and Canterbury at auction. One of them (Port Melbourne) could have been very, very different as our client had to walk away from an acceptable deal; owing to this conveyancer’s special conditions. It was only when the seller ignored the conveyancer and crossed out these additional onerous special conditions that the deal was revisited and consummated.

We think sellers need to know about this practice because buyers’ lawyers are increasingly refusing to accept these special conditions, which means that $M+ investors are simply having to walk away from a deal – even on good properties. It’s a practice that could be costing them tens of thousands of dollars.

To illustrate, see our chart below where in Identical Auction One Bidder 3 was able to have the Special Conditions removed but in Identical Auction Two Bidder 3 was not. He did not bid, which reduced the purchase price significantly.

BidderSpecialCondition

We are hoping to name the conveyancing company, pending legal approval.

Sellers who read this need to be made aware of these issues so they can decide whether they have hired the right conveyancer.

And buyers be aware of what you are signing up for if you come across these kinds of contracts. Make sure you get good professional advice, or you could be up for something more (or less) than you bargained for.

James Buyer Opinion: This week our James Buyer Opinion is on “Carrot and The Stick and Other Negotiation Styles.” Next week in Buyer Opinion we have a special Buyer Agent Conversation – Getting Info to Make an Offer.

Also next week, Election Saturday, we will have a reduced coverage; but there will be a Market Insight – just no wraps - owing to significantly reduced auction numbers.

We Only Buy Homes

Mal

Took this photo at an open at 59 Studley Road Ivanhoe - Liz Walker Jellis Craig - all laid out on the kitchen table. Just want buyers want - fair dinkum information. Sellers - Liz Walker and Jellis Craig Ivanhoe provide what buyers want - reasonably accurate information.

Took this photo at an open at 59 Studley Road Ivanhoe - Liz Walker Jellis Craig - all laid out on the kitchen table. Just want buyers want - fair dinkum information. Sellers - Liz Walker and Jellis Craig Ivanhoe provide what buyers want - reasonably accurate information.

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Markets, talking price and late bids.


Richmond, 2 Gipps: I'm Chris Murphy and don't mess with me (please). Three bidders did not, buying at $1.878 million under the hammer. Good quote at $1.7 to $1.8 million. Good result. Good agent.

Richmond, 2 Gipps: I'm Chris Murphy and don't mess with me (please). Three bidders did not, buying at $1.878 million under the hammer. Good quote at $1.7 to $1.8 million. Good result. Good agent.

raw_MarketDNAIt’s 6pm Saturday and the James Clearance Rate for million-dollar-plus auctions is 60 per cent on the 20 auctions we attended but that may change by Sunday.

The market today (Saturday) was again strong across the board but crowd numbers continue to drop and there was a 40 per cent pass-in rate at auctions we attended (and higher if you remove the bought befores) – this is obviously related to the number of homes on offer. The jury is out as to whether this will lead to a price leveling, because today says quite clearly it is strong and steady as she goes, despite big stock increases. It was a shocker of a day weather-wise; well done to our photographers on getting a few good snaps and thank you to the auctioneers for allowing us to take those snaps inside.

Sunday note: The Sunday James clearance rate is now 70 per cent clearance and the norm and we’re not seeing any stat today that says the market may be leveling. Auction stock levels have increased dramatically and our (bidders per auction) actually moved upwards. There are three big weekends of auctions to go until the footy is over and this is the real test of market depth and strength. If sellers get through this unscathed, then it may be next year or another GFC before we see any meaningful price leveling. The past few weeks may have been no more than a lull. But let’s wait and see, as a month is a long time in this market.

Markets

How do we know what is happening in the market and what do we think the market is doing? Why are markets  important to read?

We, as , need to read markets because our clients expect us to be able to offer information on expected price, reasonable value, expected competition, negotiation strategy and so on.

To be able to read markets reliably, we have found that, for us, Bidder Depth or Bidderman is the most reliable market reader. It is, in fact, the market’s DNA. It shows healthy and unhealthy, rising and falling, strong and weak markets. And, in our opinion, it does it better than clearance rates – although we still like this a lot as a measure.

The Bidderman measure is better than how you went against agent quote or median price or other measures that are either artificially manipulated or well out of date.

Our pre-auction offers and post-auction offers rely on Bidderman data also. We keep Bidderman records on agents. Some agents have lots of bidders because they communicate well and others have smaller numbers. We also keep records on types of homes – eg Bidderman is strong and alive for family homes in Hawthorn but has gone missing on high-end .

We are finding the media are now starting to talk about a very strong rising market. That was true from February to July, when people were reporting doom and gloom. We are now not so sure that the market is in a strong rising phase. Our bidder depth per is dropping (except today) and this may be telling us that the market may be in a leveling phase, price wise. But it is still too early to call and, of course, may change direction again anytime soon.

So, just repeating: we are not saying that the market is falling in price or will fall soon, and we are not even convinced that it is leveling, but the price increase incline could be flattening after an incredibly steep rise in the past six months of anything between 10 and 20 per cent. In the case of Boroonadara, that represents a return to the peak; in Stonnington, a return to near the peak; and, in Bayside, a return towards the peak but nowhere near as strong as in Boroondara.

As stock levels increase – and they have dramatically in the past two weeks, as sellers seem to need to get their home auctioned  before the Grand Final, when all Melbourne stops to witness a victory. Whoops! Got sidetracked – sorry! Stock level increases in the past few weeks are, in our opinion, the biggest this year, and this is having a significant effect on crowd numbers per property. We have recently been below (but above today) two bidders per auction on our 20 Auction Basket we review each Saturday. In July, we were above three bidders per auction average. By way of comparison, in late 2008, we were below one bidder per auction on average.

We need to see how the increased stock levels are taken up before the Grand Final (the last Saturday in September) and what happens immediately afterwards before we can say the market has altered course (if indeed it has). We may be just having a slight breather in bidder numbers as bidders assess the lay of the land and they may return to average more than three per auction, thus pushing up prices.

It was bidder depth that first alerted our clients to a possible market change in February 2009 and it was a significant increase in bidder depth that led us to push harder for our clients in May. It became clear the market was about to explode and it did.

There are two slides in The Million Dollar Price Worm to the right of this article that hopefully explain bidder depth a bit more of, as we say, Market DNA.

The first slide shows where we think the market has gone most recently. The gyration at the pointy end in August is meant to represent a possibly changing market. It may also represent a false point, as there is so much stock on the market and buyers are there, but are more neutral in their actions at present because they can see more stock coming on. However, they may go back to stronger bidding once stock levels are clear, take up all that stock and then demand more.

Slide 2 shows the MARKET DNA. This example is our Saturday Key Auction basket (the 20 auctions that we report on each weekend). A stronger market’s DNA in July 2009 is at the top and a weaker market’s DNA in November 2008 is below. What does this tell us? It tells the trained observer plenty and selling agents also keep records on numbers through opens, contracts sent out, second inspections etc. All are pointers as to whether to take an early offer, to run to auction, to adjust price etc. Similarly, accurate bidder depth number on markets, on specific parts of markets – eg land or period homes or inner city apartments – and on agencies really help cement negotiation strategies going forward. But this information needs to be up to the minute. The line, in our opinion, is market balance. It’s very approximate but when we average between one and two, or around 30 bidders per 20 auctions, we think the market will remain even over the next short period. Above the line of, say, more than two bidders, the market is strengthening and prices should go up. Below the line, on average, the market seems to be weakening and prices should ease.

PRICE INCREASE

When there is good bidder depth, the market is strong because, if one or two bidders drop out, then the bidding is taken up by others and almost all homes sell and some sell well above market.

PRICE VOLATILITY

When the bidder depth starts to wane, there are spasmodic results as some homes simply do not have the bidder depth to push the top bidder higher or, in fact, get a deal done but some homes still sell incredibly well even with one bidder because that one bidder didn’t know the market is changing or had changed and they were the only bidder – a good selling agent was also involved.

PRICE DECREASE

And, finally, the market starts to fall across the board when everybody knows the bidder depth is simply not there.

Quoting

The heat has gone out of the issue of quoting. Why? Because there are properties to buy and lots of them – buyers have more important things to do! We acknowledge that we have changed our views during this debate. We no longer support mandatory declared reserves, just as we would not support mandatory declared maximum buyer offers (it was Iain Carmichael and Jeremy Desmier who turned us on this issue). But we are seeing a few publicly declared reserves now and we definitely think that voluntarily declared reserves is a plus. We acknowledge that there is a selling agent mindset of conservatism, which we still find hard to fathom. Why can’t an agent say something along the following: the land size of this home is 720 sqm and land goes for around $2300 per sq metre, so that says around $1.6 to $1.7 million for the land. We think this building is worth around $400,000, because people do keep these buildings, and it would cost around $600,000 to renovate to bring it up to a million-dollar building. There are renovated homes (building + land) selling in this area for $2.6 to $3 million and therefore we think that $2 to $2.2 million is a good basis to start your thinking on this particular home if you are going to renovate this building.

But, with a bit of tongue in cheek and hopefully some humour, here is a representation of what some buyers are hearing more of lately. It is a compilation of things and I have exaggerated it a little to get a point across, but it is not without some validity:

Set the scene at 12 Great Street : picture yourself walking in the front door at a quiet midweek open-for-inspection a few weeks into the campaign and being greeted at the door by an impeccably groomed and badged agent. Below is all the agent speaking – like in a Bob Newhart or Monty Python skit.

“Hello, my name is John from agents Conti and Bostock. Can I take your name and number? Thank you, here is a brochure. Sooorry I didn’t hear the question. You want to know pppprice? Mmmm, that’s a tough question. It is company policy to not declare that. Sorry, what was that? You’d like to buy and you want to know the price? Yes, well, we are not allowed to say price. You want to offer. Are you sure? You don’t want to go away and think about it, talk to another agent? Oh, you want to offer now? Oh, great. $1,630,000 – that’s your offer? No, it’s too low. Yep, too low. You’re telling me you would like to know what offer would be satisfactory? Can’t tell you that – I don’t know it. Sorry, you want to know how I can refuse the offer of $1,630,000 if I don’t know what is an acceptable offer? Sorry, I mean I do know the price and that offer is too low – it’s just that I can’t tell you. Madam, this is unfair to ask me these tough questions. After all, I’m just the agent selling the home. I have other people to hand out brochures to and calls to make. Look, I’ll be honest, lady, this is how it is. I don’t know the price and, even if I did, I can’t tell you and that is why your offer is not enough. I’m sorry, I can’t talk to you anymore. You’re a buyer and I’m just not authorised to discuss price or buying this home with buyers. Now, next person. Hi, my name is John, here is a brochure, can I take your phone number …”

It’s like going to a coffee shop but you can’t get a coffee as the barista only makes sandwiches. The uproar was not that agents quoted – no, buyers want agents to quote – it’s just buyers would like agents to quote professionally. And, yes, buyers need to understand that selling agents represent sellers and that price is a a living, breathing thing and price quoting, even with experts who are genuine, is not an exact science. Let’s continue to ask questions of those that have gone missing, that have become so estranged from dealmaking that they can’t TALK PRICE TO A BUYER (PROFESSIONALLY).

Late, Disputed and Non-Bidding

In our Negotiation Section below, we have an interesting discussion on late and no auction bidding with expert auctioneer Phil de Fegely. This topic has had some ongoing interest, especially with Marika Dobbin’s page 3 article mid-week in The Age and I got the “interesting Market Insight Mal” comment  from Peter Bennison of JP Dixon when I was through one of his opens recently. I didn’t read this as a compliment. I read it as code for “You’re wrong on late bidding, Mal”. So I thought I’d better investigate further and, while it’s not that common at auctions (perhaps one or two deals out of 1000 have late bidding), we thought it would be good to hear the issues from an expert. Phil de Fegely coaches a number of Melbourne’s best auctioneers, as well as those who are up-and-coming. Yep, that’s right, auctioneers have coaches, go to training sessions and do courses, and yet many buyers still think they can just rock up at auction and they are taking on somebody akin to a first-day cab driver. Occasionally you are, but if it is an auctioneer from or or Jellis Craig or Bennison Mackinnon or a Phil de Fegely-trained auctioneer, you are taking on somebody akin to a skilled league footballer (granted, with a physical fitness cloud). But we digress. Phil’s Q&A and audio is below in Negotiation Corner.

Buy Well and Make Good Decisions

Mal

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Price should not be a noun; it should be a verb. Price is a living, breathing thing.


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It’s 6pm and the James Clearance Rate for million-dollar-plus homes is another 70 per cent on the 20 auctions we attended today and will rise overnight. The picture above is of the guiding hand of James Connell from as he works the crowd at today’s 2 Selwyn Court  auction. Is that one more bid, sir?

Continuing on the value theme of last week, this week we’ll look at pricing.

Valuing, quoting and pricing in this current market is not the issue that bedevils our industry. On the selling side, there has, until recently, been an increasing lack of care, conservatism (“quote ‘em low, watch ‘em go”) and/or poor training. On the buying side, there’s been a lack of understanding of the market process, a selling agent’s role and how pricing is determined. These are the underlying issues, in our opinion.

raw_letstalkpriceCan we say, firmly, that we don’t support selling agents withdrawing from the quoting arena. As professionals, the answer, in our opinion, is not to withdraw from quoting but to get better at it and be clearer in the definitions of the advice given to both buyers and sellers.

You can find homes on the internet, a solicitor can email you the , an auctioneer only needs a microphone … why would a seller pay an agent who can’t talk price? Why not just hire a security guard for open for inspections? If a buyer or a selling agent can’t talk price or demonstrate value in relation to the home’s characteristics, what are they doing?

want good quality buying agents to help buyers understand their needs, make good decisions, value, find properties, carry out due diligence, and – wait for it – talk price.

Buyers and sellers also want good quality selling agents and part of a good quality selling agent’s kitbag is to sell the virtues, open the house, direct buyers towards other alternatives (if not suitable), run a transparent auction or private sale process and – wait for it – talk price.

At James Buyer Advocates, we think buying agents and selling agents need to talk price. But those discussions need to be genuine if price talk is to add value to the buyer’s or seller’s decision-making process.

So let’s talk price. When we talk price, we talk many different numbers, which we at James call Price Points. For example:

  • Individual Price Points: your price now, your price next week, other buyers’ price, the vendor’s wish price, vendor’s bottom line price, the agent’s quote price and your Uncle Peter’s best advice price.
  • Timing Price Points: pre-sale prices, deadline prices, prices just after a negative The Age headline, offers-with-condition prices, auction day prices and post-auction day prices.

And so on…

So how do we know whose price is right?

Nobody is right or wrong. There is no wrong or right price unless you think opinion is a right or wrong thing. The final price is nothing more than a reflection of two agreeing opinions – the buyer and seller – at a point in time.

Is it possible to predict what this price will be?

Yes, in many cases, but not all. Nobody can predict with complete certainty the behavior of each individual buyer or seller in a exchange; however – and this is where selling agents’ quoting and buyer agents’ estimates come in – it is possible to predict with a high level of certainty how large groups of human beings will react to a property. Taking it one step further, it is possible to get, say, eight out of 10 estimates close to the mark (maybe a bit less in this current volatile market).

No, Mal, you ratbag, tell me the price. You are sounding like a selling agent. Stop “crapping on”. How much is it worth? How much do I have to pay to buy this house?

Please, it is so important that buyers understand this from the outset. There is no magic or set price in many of the sales we are involved in. There is no one price and no way of getting the “price quote” right every time in a fluid market situation where we have a process (auctions, expressions of interest and now many range private sales) that allow for all opinions to be expressed openly.

Price should not be a noun; it should be a verb. Price is a living, breathing thing.

Price differs from one hour to the next; it does not stand still.

Price is a conduit in a process of distilling opinions.

Good selling agents try and influence opinion upwards and, over the years, I’ve found that good buying agents try and find the pricing points, inform the buyer of risks associated at each offer point and follow instructions given after a client’s decision.

As an aside, we find that, when dealing with highly skilled selling agents on good quality homes that are reasonably priced, truth on both sides has been the elixir of many deals.

We at James Buyer Advocates talk to our clients on our initial thoughts on price ONLY after we are sure they understand what price is and what version of it we are talking about. And when selling agents re-enter the market with sensible quotes and more explicit communications, then it will still be up to buyers to understand and manage what they are being told.

At James Buyer Advocates, this is how we work out “price” or work through the price process (and in this order):

  • We form an opinion on good value buying – this we call the James Control Price and we base it simply on + Building. This gives us a base to begin with.
  • Next, we rate the home – James Home Provisional Ratings. This gives us a number out of 1000, some on the characteristics of the home without the influence of a specific PRICE. It is vital to be able to compare quickly and focus on the goodies and “delete” the baddies.
  • Next, we send that to our client for their feedback.
  • We then visit the home and confirm or adjust the James Home Rating and/or the James Control Price.
  • We look at current comparables (history often repeats) in greater depth.
  • We look at – bidder or buyer depth on similar auctionable, private sale and off-market properties. We keep detailed records of . This is why we almost always mention bidders in our auction reports.
  • We look at other alternatives on the market.
  • We ask our clients their thoughts on other homes and how much they like this one and what they wish to spend on it.
  • We consider renovation costs and overcapitalising or undercapitalising.
  • We speak at length to the selling agent and other selling agents not in the selling company who may know the home.
  • We look at the records we keep on individual agents and agency policies on how they conduct the sales process for this type of home.
  • We start forming our opinions on price points (that is all our and valuer’s and agent’s and bank’s numbers represent – somebody’s opinion).
  • We put those thoughts in writing to our clients and the numbers may have moved considerably from our initial James Control Price, or they may have not moved at all. Generally speaking, we find we give our clients three price points and help them distill one:
    a) long-term good buying price;
    b) minimum price the vendor will accept; or
    c) hot market price.
  • And the price we help our client distill is what price they are prepared to pay in their chosen risk versus reward scenario at that point in time. Eg the higher you go, the lower the risk but the less the reward and, of course, the lower you go, the higher the reward if successful but the greater the risk of missing out.
  • Once things are becoming clearer on OUR price, we encourage flexibility and we keep saying to our clients “Are you buying a price or buying a property?” (that’s a naughty trick of ours, but it works).
  • We then begin the strategy planning and the processes we will follow, in conjunction with our client’s wishes to achieve the desired result.
  • And we either buy the home or we don’t and the seller either gets our price and we get theirs or we/they don’t.

Finally, at James, we honestly don’t care what price our client pays. We have no emotional attachment to a number. It’s not possible for buyers to have this feeling of detachment. What we do care about is our professional obligations to our buying clients in providing the due diligence for our client to assist them in making informed decisions (on pricing among many things) and our emotional outcomes are determined by how well or poorly our clients think we deliver on these obligations. With the processes above and this attitude to price, we have negotiated, bought and missed out on hundreds of million-dollar-plus homes and our business continues to tick along.

So “our final price” is determined at the end of the process, not the beginning, and that process only ends when we lose interest in a property or it’s bought by us or somebody else.

That’s how we do it; that’s how we talk PRICE.

Hope this helps and, if you would like to talk price, give us a ring.

Buy well for the long term.

Mal

Adam’s article this week is on the importance of feel and he uses 5 Hopetoun Road Toorak as his example. We are now starting to see a number of his $1 million-plus builds (renovations and new) for clients we have purchased for. If you would like to see some of his impressive work, please contact our office.

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Commentary and Case Study with Glen Coutinho from Hocking Stuart


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raw_Glen CourtinhoThe Boardroom Auction is back on the agenda. There are traps, pitfalls and strategies required with a boardroom auction. However, in many ways, a properly conducted boardroom auction is a transparent way to conduct business. The jury seems to be out on whether or not a boardroom auction is covered by the auction legislation – meaning different selling agents do have different opinions. It seems black and white to us and the REIV has issued memorandums on the subject, but many selling agents are still unclear when the 2003 Dummy Bidding Government Rules apply.

Traps for buyers:

  • A boardroom auction called without a reserve or acceptable offer.
  • Not understanding the pressures involved in a boardroom auction.
  • Not being clear on process – the rules.
  • Intimidatory tactics from agents (deliberate and inadvertent – this is becoming rarer).
  • Not being ready in time.
  • Not having a clear mind on your limits.
  • Not even knowing it was on and seeing your dream sold without reference to you.
  • Paperwork.

Strategies

  • Preparation.
  • Plan.
  • Process.

We have dealt with these agencies below and found their boardroom auction behaviour credible and transparent. The agents/principals named in brackets are people we have seen display consistent elements of credibility and we have a solid dose of trust in what they say. So, if you have doubts, don’t wish to get buyer representation and need to check the legitimacy of what is happening, then contact the principals/selling agents mentioned to check the rules. Note that we’re not saying to ask them for advice re money or whether it is right for you - they are working for the seller. Just ask these selling agents to confirm the process is fair dinkum and not a sham. We prefer all responses in writing with a signature.

  • Hocking Stuart – Bayside, Hawthorn (Steve Tickell 0418 177 565).
  • Bennison Mackinnon – and (Iain Carmichael 0418 850 988).
  • Kay and Burton – (Mike Gibson 0418 530 392).
  • – Hawthorn, (Tim Picken 0419 305 802).
  • – Carlton (Tom Roberts 0418 553 680).
  • Marshall White – Hawthorn and Armadale (James Connell 0418 312 907).
  • Biggin and Scott – (David Lack 0418 996 265).

Over the years, we have found a number of boardroom auctions / expressions of interest to be less than straightforward. Some commentators suggest that you contact the REIV or Consumer Affairs or whoever if you find that is the case. But how is that going to help you? The deal is done and you have either paid an uninformed amount or you are out of the picture.

If you smell a rat, are scared or unclear, you really do need to consider getting experienced representation. In fact, you should consider representation even if the auction seems ridgy-didge. Boardroom auctions – the large majority of which are legitimate – are still about preparation, homework and strategy; that is, they are if you wish to maximise your chances of making the right decision under pressure.

Case Study – 25 Clive Road Hawthorn East – sold in a boardroom auction in April.
Interview with Glen Cortinho, Director, Hocking Stuart Hawthorn.

Kris: Thank you for your time Glen. Why did 25 Clive Road, Hawthorn East end up as a boardroom auction?
Glen: My pleasure Kristen. Good to see you again. Here are the reasons:

  • The owners were away and didn’t want to go through opens on their return.
  • The objective was to test the market and see if we could get a satisfactory offer before running the full campaign.
  • 30 people turned up at the first open. This was a slight surprise as it was advertised on the Internet only.
  • Based on that inspection, we knew the property would sell well, as there were four interested parties that we assessed were willing to offer more than what we thought the reserve would be.
  • The highest expressions were around $1.6 million, which then became the acceptable vendor reserve.
  • By Wednesday, we had received two expressions at $1.7 million.

Kris: What was the process from there, Glen?
Glen:

  • The paperwork was then sent out to all interested parties with an advice that the property would be auctioned at 5.30pm on Thursday.
  • On Thursday, we confirmed instructions with the vendor and all buyers that we knew of were phoned and advised of the process. We advised:
  1. where the auction would be held.
  2. when.
  3. that buyers would need to have had legal advice, as there would be no cooling-off period.
  4. all parties were told that $1.7 million had been offered and accepted, unless a higher bid was made.
  5. that they needed to have a 10 per cent deposit.

Kris: What happened on the day?
Glen:

  • Four parties turn up and bidding was opened at $1.7 million.
  • It was announced that the property was on the market.
  • It was  sold in ones and fives at $1,754,000.
  • Two bid and two watched.

Kris: If you could put your buyer’s hat on, what do you think of boardroom auctions?

Glen: Positives:

  • Transparent
  • Private
  • Minimal peer group pressure
  • Over and done with – if you are going to get rolled
  • Small numbers

Negatives:

  • Can be intimidating with face-to-face opposition. If you feel this way, you should consider having representation.

Kris: What things do you need to make sure of before you attend a boardroom auction?

Glen:

  1. That the are reviewed.
  2. Need to be sure that an acceptable offer has already been offered.
  3. Need to have acceptable offer confirmed by auctioneer at start of the auction.
  4. Need to know that the agent has got instructions to sell then - ie the vendors can sign.
  5. Need to know your limitations.

Kris:  Dummy bidding at boardroom auctions – your thoughts?
Glen:  Agents would be in breach of laws. I’m not prepared to jeopardise my licence.

Kris: Any other thoughts?
Glen:

  • If you are a buyer you must tell the agent that you are interested in the property, otherwise you won’t know a boardroom auction is even on.
  • Talk to the agent and, if the agent is not helping you, perhaps go and see the principal and, if that doesn’t work, perhaps see a buyer’s advocate.
  • If this is all new to you, then you really should consider appointing an advocate.
  • My preference is to do an auction on the street because of publicity and atmosphere. The reason we do it in a boardroom is because we are forced to by a buyer offering pre-auction.
  • You can’t do boardroom auctions by phone. That is wrong, in my opinion.
  • Even if it’s sounding a bit shonky, you still have to work with that agent. But you should get representation.
  • It’s no longer about squeezing buyers, because we have an offer a vendor will take. It’s about being fair to all buyers. Sounds a bit corny, but that is up to you to believe or not.

Kris: Glen, thank you for your time. If you are a seller wishing to get an opinion of value and sell your home in the /Hawthorn area, you could do worse than talk to Glen. His contact details are 0409 779 399 or email gcoutinho@hockingstuart.com.au

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Interview: Scott Hamilton of Buxton


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EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
raw_Scotts Top 3Scott is Sandringham’s quiet achiever. Respected by many, including his rivals, Scott gets a number of deals over the line quietly and without much fuss. In fact, I’m not sure we know as successful an agent with such a low profile. We like Scott because he gets in his car and meets you at homes and we like Scott as a selling agent because he pesters you to go to some properties you didn’t want to go to and now and again you are glad you did. That’s a good agent. Friendly, price-accurate and communicative – if you wanted a real opinion on selling your home, you could do worse than give Scott Hamilton a call.

Mal: Family status and where do you live?
Scott: Married to Julie for 33 years; she is a kindergarten assistant at Helen Paul in . Two children: Luke, 26 (an osteopath), and Brydie, 24 (health/science degree but now a manager for Buxton Sandringham).

Mal: How long have you been in real estate and what is the company you work for?Scott: In real estate for bit over six years and always at Buxton Sandringham.

Where do you mainly work (area) and what types of homes do you specialise in?
Bayside along the beach from to and inland to Cheltenham and Highett.

What makes a good investment?
A good investment is anything you are happy with if it’s for living in yourself. If it is purely an investment property, then position to transport and amenities and naturally return on investment and rentability.

What makes a good family home?
A good family makes a good family home. You could live in a tent and be a happy family. Other than that, I don’t particularly subscribe to “it must be a north-facing rear” as many people will request. In Black Rock, a lot of great family homes have been built with south-facing back yards but the architects have designed these homes with the outdoor entertaining and living areas at the front, taking advantage of the north aspects. Definitely good family properties have good storage space, at least two living areas and two bathrooms, and a great kitchen enables mum and dad to be happy when they cook and that’s really important.

What makes a good buying decision?
A good buying decision is anything that can give good capital growth and keep you happy after you have signed the . You cannot go wrong in Bayside with great schools, transport, parkland, beaches, shopping centres, dining, block sizes and proximity to the CBD etc.

Best investment decision you made?
My best investment decision was buying our family home in Hampton before we were married and before Hampton became fashionable.

Worst investment decision you made?
My worst investment decision was not buying a property of about an acre adjoining and overlooking Portsea Golf Club. It was a good mate’s step-father’s old home and he and I could have bought it for $80,000 about 20 years ago. The views were magnificent, as it was one of the highest points in Portsea, but we declined as we weren’t keen to get another mortgage. We often talk about it with great regret.

What are the top three precincts in your area, how big is an average block, what type/style of home, what is the dirt price and how much for a renovated home today?
The top three precincts would be:
1. Hampton between Hampton Street and the beach;
2. Sandringham between Gladstone Street and the beach; and
3. anywhere in Black Rock/Beaumaris close to the beach; eg – Bluff Road to beach going north from Balcombe.

Three underrated streets in your area for family home buying (where, price, type and style, would they have to renovate)?
Three underrated streets in our area would be:
1.
Raynes Park Road and
2. Teddington Roads in Hampton with a mix of housing styles on big blocks and close to everything.
3. Gladstone Street in Sandringham

What would you say to a young couple with $800,000 looking for a family home specifically in your area – eg (where, type and style, would they have to renovate)
For $800,000, I would recommend streets in Hampton and Sandringham close to Bluff Road if they were willing to renovate or rebuild. If not, then Highett, Hampton East and Cheltenham beach side of Nepean Highway are great spots.

What would you say to a downsizing couple with $1.5 million specifically in your area (where, type and style, would they have to renovate)?
Downsizers in our area with $1.5 million to spend are in a great position. Developers are finally getting it right and having their architects design townhouses with main bedrooms downstairs. I would recommend downsizers ensure they have a good size garage with remote doors and access to the home, at least two living areas and bathrooms, a neat easy-to-maintain sunny courtyard with enough room for entertaining, BBQ and a herb garden. Two-storey is fine as long as the main bedroom and at least one bathroom is downstairs. Good proximity to shops and transport is also important. They would not have to renovate for $1.5 million and a number of developers have these style projects in the pipeline in our area now.

: yes or no?
Buyer agents are fine because they don’t muck around with us. It’s either “yes, we like it ” or “no, not this one”. Nobody’s time is wasted. They also have a greater understanding of values than a lot of buyers, particularly if they are shopping out of their area. I’m pretty sure that buyer agents only get paid if they are successful in buying a property for their client, so at least we know you are a serious buyer.

or houses?
Different people have different requirements, it’s horses for courses.

Auction or Private Sale?
Again, horses for courses. I always ask a vendor what is most important to them in the selling of their property. The responses vary from obtaining the highest sale price, to good communication or speed of selling, to complete privacy from a particular nosy neighbour. We adjust to suit the vendor’s needs and, let’s face it, not everyone is comfortable with an auction.  I generally see what a vendor would prefer and work with that if I agree it’s best for that property.

How can a seller maximise their value at sale?
To maximise value at sale, definitely stage the property for the sale. This means gardening, hired furniture, decluttering, fixing anything that’s been neglected, ensuring high wattage light bulbs are fitted and, of course, ensure that the agent you list with is a better negotiator than you are. If you pay a bit more for a better negotiator, you will be rewarded in your sale price. Too many vendors base a listing decision on an agents “%” rather than what sale price the agent can achieve for them.

What are the do’s and don’ts for buyers when dealing with selling agents?
At a private sale, if you love a property and it’s right for you, then don’t miss it because the vendor wants an extra $10,000 or $20,000. You will regret it and may not get another chance. Don’t tell the agent you are not interested in a property if you are. Agents won’t hike a price up just because a couple of buyers tell them they like it. For an auction, don’t offer prior to an auction, but ask to be kept informed if someone else tries to buy it prior. Show up at the auction and bid like you really want to buy it, but stick to your budget or have someone bid on your behalf if you don’t think you can. Buyer agents are good at this and much better than your uncle.

What do you think are the opportunities now with us?
Opportunities are a-plenty. A great time to upsize, downsize or re-locate if a retirement in the country or interstate is an option. The shortage of stock is reflected in large numbers at Open For Inspections so far this year. Buyers are being cautious but they are there. It is also a great time to buy the “ value” big blocks in good locations and build townhouses. There are a lot of older people looking to downsize and stay in the same area.

Where is the market going in 2009 in your area?
The market in our area is still strong and should continue so in 2009. There is no panic selling and strong will keep prices stable around here.

Who will win this year’s premiership and why?
The Premiers this year will be Hampton Rovers in B Grade amateurs. As far as the AFL is concerned, the Bombers will have to wait a few more years unfortunately.

If a potential seller would like an appraisal or wishes to sell their home, how is it best to contact you and what are your details!
Scott Hamilton of Buxton, email shamilton@buxton.com.au or phone 0414 705 486.

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Not as many quiet sales are happening but there are still plenty of quiet off market homes to look at.


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Overall stock levels are down! This is true if you look at actual auction and private sale transactions only; however, the amount of stock available for consideration is not as low as the Internet portals or The Age classifieds may portray. There is a considerable proportion of homes available through the off-market process – that is no sign, no advertising, no listed price.

Properties in Boroondara and Stonnington that we have looked at in the past week include:

: Almost 10,000 square feet of with an architecturally designed home on it. West facing rear, ready to move in, available. Quoting around $4 million.

: Again almost 10,000 sq ft or 900+ square metres in the new money with a beautiful 1920-30s home on it. Regal gardens with an incredible indoor/outdoor dining room. Asking around $9 million.

South Yarra: 20,000 sq feet with a solid Victorian. Good yard at rear. Price around $10 million.

Domain Precinct: Modern townhouse with off-street parking, three bedrooms in a lovely quiet street. $2 million-plus is the quote.

Carlton: Three terraces in need of work on substantial land with rear parking. No quote.

: 20,000+ square feet, classic period home on Scotch Hill with lovely contemplative gardens and a full length northerly aspect.

: 30 square apartment in the Maple Grove area, less than 10 years old, good proportions asking $3 million-plus plus.

In Bayside and Port Phillip, there are a number of 2008 unsolds and 2009s to come on the market later in the year that are available for viewing.

Beach area: Large townhouse with underground car parking, big proportions and a Mort Higgins build (good quality) on 6000 sq ft with bay glimpses and lots of light. Selling agent is quoting over $3 million.

You have several choices in how you see these. If you know your values well, have the time and feel that you are best served with you negotiating, then you can become friendly with all your local selling agents. If you don’t have the time, are not clear on values or would prefer a buying agent to represent your interests in any deal and cover all options, then you could contact our office 9804 3133 and we can arrange to meet, understand your brief and then line up some on-market and off-market homes for you to view.

Good hunting!

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3 day cooling off law is being abused

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3 day cooling off law is being abused


raw_3 dayIn our business as , we often get edgy comments left on our mobile, emailed to us and, for those that are slightly braver (usually through their agent), said to our face. The unpleasant ones are always from sellers and they go something like this: “Mal, what are you doing, you’re being difficult, who cares anyway, what gives you the right, it’s none of your business and…” It’s become water off a duck’s back but the issues behind it are not.

Many sellers consider it’s OK to follow a cycle of buyer abuse. It was done to them so they are going to do it to somebody else…

Well, it’s not OK.

The latest trick from sellers and their legal representatives is to hide the Section 32. It’s a wonderful game of deceit and misrepresentation and some seller’s representatives (and therefore the seller) are becoming masters at it.

Before we explain how their game works:

Homebuyers in Victoria get very little legal protection when it comes to purchasing a $450,000 or $1.2 million or $14 million dollar home; in fact, in most cases, a buyer of a $39.95 toaster is afforded more protection when they purchase from David Jones than a homebuyer.

So to the game:

Step 1: Don’t deliver a copy of the contract to the buyer till the last minute – in some cases, in fact, after the doors of the buyer’s legal offices have closed – eg after 5pm Friday before auction. That is getting rarer than last year but it still can happen.

Step 2: This is the 2007-08 doozy – post out a Section 32 and a few days prior to auction AND make sure it’s nothing like the real contract the seller will expect the buyer to sign on Saturday at auction.

The absolute fav amongst some well known city agents and their legal representatives at the moment is and the Owner’s Corporation Certificates. What the selling agents (who claim “know nothing – I see nothing – I hear nothing”) are doing is getting a large and complicated document emailed to a prospective purchaser at the last minute but minus the key documents such as those related to the body corporate and sinking funds.

An innocent oversight you say. No way, it’s a deliberate misrepresentation by both the selling agent and the legal eagles and therefore the seller.

Because, by Saturday, miraculously all the legal paperwork is there. It has to be – otherwise the buyer can walk away from the contract because it’s defective (in this market, some are – so sellers should check the competency of their legal advice).

But are the sellers and their agents outsmarting themselves? This favourite trick worked last year because there were so many buyers in such a frenzied state that many bid without bothering to check paperwork – and some are still suffering the consequences.

This year, buyers are walking away because they are already on edge and any excuse to not front is gratefully accepted. Sellers are losing buyers they can’t afford to lose.

Real-life case study – details changed for privacy:

apartment worth more than a . Beautiful apartment. High James Q Rating. Great spot. We have done all normal due diligence, including full price report, research into seller and agent and detailed negotiation options – however:

1. Legal documentation does not come until the absolute last minute and is read by a client’s chosen solicitor on behalf of our client.

2. Major defects in contracts – our client emails us a note on Friday evening pulling out of auction.

3. At 8am Saturday, I ring a partner of another well known legal firm and he agrees to go to his office and read the contracts. I do this because I believe this is a great apartment and perfect for our client. The legal partner does this because he is a nice guy – he’s not getting rich on the conveyancing fee.

4. At 9am, we deliver a copy of the contracts to the legal partner.

5. At 10am, he reads the contracts and agrees there are major defects in the contract and he makes two points: (1) if the contract remains as is, “your client can sign as they can easily pull out, however (2) if, as is increasingly happening, the missing pages having indeed been added in, then the contract will be valid and your client will be at risk.”

6. What to do!! Legal partner: “Mal, as a favour, I will come to the auction and bring a copy of the contract and look for insertions.”

7. 15 minutes before the auction was due to start, after the legal partner turned up, he discovered the owners’ certificate and other things had been inserted. However, in this case, the legal partner deemed it OK to sign. 10 minutes before auction, our client emailed us to proceed.

8. We bid and bought the apartment.

9. How many buyers can make that happen without help?

You know the funny thing – if our legal friend hadn’t cared enough for our client, the seller would have also been the loser as they would have had only one bidder and who knows? Maybe they would be none the wiser but $50,000 poorer.

Happy to give you the name of the firm if you want to know a quality and caring legal firm. We receive no money from them.

Finally, sorry about the soapbox, but as buyer representatives, we will continue to push for

1. Accurate and timely legal documentation
2. Pest and building inspections
3. Accurate quoting of price.

And when you see the funny James buyer agent man in the hat at auction with an armful of paperwork and he has assistants measuring up with measuring wheels (another story another day) and agents helping him check through wads of paper before his client signs, please try not to snigger too much, as he is only doing his job.

Make good decisions and buy well

Mal

PS: There is a solution – legislate that three business days before auction the paperwork that is going to be signed must be available at the selling agent’s office or else a further three-day cooling-off period applies after auction if the paperwork changes.

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Depending on your nature this is either a half empty or half full glass situation

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glassOverall another very negative weekend for auctions evidenced by the fact that only 2 sold from the 16 we attended as a group. The clearance rates at auction for $1m+ homes is nowhere near the reported overall low 60′s % of the last month.

Our comment on the market is that is has dropped another 5 to 10% in the last 3 weeks on top of the earlier drop of 10-20% in March and April.

Depending on your nature this is either a half empty or half full glass situation. If you are a half glass full kind of person, then there are opportunities out there. As the upper end market now, it comes closer to the lower end now. If you are buying and selling in this market and you have the right advice then you should be able to trade up on a better overall deal – providing of course you do have the right advice. Meaning in Sep 2007 the price difference between the top properties and the median ones was a lot greater than it is on July 2008. So you may have had a changeover of $1 million in Sep 2007 and that changeover could well now be as low as $500,000 July 2008 for certain properties. Of course this is anecdotal and you do need some luck as well as the . Some homes are still attracting multiple bidding and the drops have been nowhere near as great as made out in the previous sentence.

Peter Sinclair in his Show Me the Money Section begins his series today on the facts and fallacies (read traps for young players) of hot spotting (trying to pick the next hot areas) based on previous short term median .

We are now beta testing some new features and formats on this ratings site and any feedback is always appreciated to enquiry@mjba.com.au

We would also like to thank the 30 Bayside agents who attended an information and explanation breakfast midweek at our Office. We will be having 2 more information and explanation breakfasts for Stonnington and Boroondara agents over the next few weeks.

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Market News


The spring market has proved what we have been saying all year. The inner city, high quality, perfect home market is firing as strong as it ever has. Good quality family homes on good quality blocks are in a boom at present. It is also, in our opinion, not too great a claim to say that this market has risen 20-25% this year. However in outer areas of Melbourne, in the townhouse and in the apartment market the news is mixed. This market’s growth has been a lot lower and many properties are simply not selling. Interest rates have affected these markets but not the top end.

What will happen as we move through and into 2007? As usual our answer is who knows? We don’t. All we can say is the market is subject to rises and falls, however over the long term, good quality property has always risen and we see no reason for this to change.

What lessons can we learn from the current market? If you are buying to live in or , try not to go for cash flow charts/seminars, newer areas a long way from the CBD, or flashy builds on small blocks with small rooms and no . Why not stick with the winners? Good area – established suburbs with a mosaic (our new favourite word) of cultures and styles; good position – near what people have liked for centuries – transport, coffee, food, schools; good land – orientation for light, street frontage, good back yard and good building – nice flow, rooms in the right places, good size, good light, good space.

In Love with Linda – Hawthorn (Grace Park Estate)

Whilst the market can still be fickle, here are some practical examples showing how hot the market is.

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All these blocks had good on them. Some needed renovations and some didn’t. People have privacy requirements so we have not been too specific deliberately. The point is to show you just how hot this area is at present.

1. Mid Year 2006
Linda Cres. – 10,000sq ft block, needs $300k renovation – north orientation – high $1 million.

2. One month later
Linda Cres. – same as above – low $2 million.

3. A couple of months later
Hawthorn Grove – smaller block, better home – well over $3 million.

4. A few weeks ago
Linda Cres. – big block – south facing – good house – high $2 million.

5. Last week
Christobel St. – good block, bigger home – did not sell at auction.

Some of What We Have Bought Since Our Last Newsletter (September)

  • Caulfield North – Arthur St – Double fronted Edwardian (See Picture Below)
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  • Berwick – Miller St – front townhouse – owner occupier (See Picture Below)
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  • Fitzroy North – Newry St – blank canvas Victorian – owner occupier (See Picture Below)
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  • – New St – Individual standing townhouse (See Picture Below)
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  • Brighton – Were St – Edwardian on good land with a pool
  • Langwarrin – Warrandyte Road – Large acreage – owner occupier (See Picture Below)
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  • Heathmont – Anne St – owner occupier – architecturally designed (See Picture Below)
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  • St. Kilda East – Brunning Street – Edwardian – owner occupier
  • – Crisp St – Bungalow home on big land with pool and north orientation. This buy was particularly pleasing as it sold for more a few weeks earlier, and our client achimage8ieved a strong rental agreement for the next 1 to 3 years.  (See Picture Below)
  • – Perth St – award winning home – see further pictures at end of report (See Picture Below)
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  • Williamstown – Rifle Range – townhouse close to the beach – owner occupier
  • Hampton – David St – town residence – owner occupier – great location (See Picture Below)
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  • – St. Anthonys Place – town residence within a larger group – great location and beautiful gardens (See Picture Below)
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  • Brighton – Warleigh Grove – Art deco style duplex with a great location


Vendor’s Statements

One of the major conveyancing franchises in Victoria puts a very specific clause into both the contract of sale and the vendor’s statement. If there is a problem at settlement and this specific clause has not been removed in both the vendors statement and the contract of sale (prior to signing), you will be at a very distinct disadvantage with regard to any negotiations to remedy the dispute.

This advice has now come from three different legal practitioners and all have said that they would counsel their clients not to sign a contract with this specific clause in it.

Many people we act for do not understand what the vendor’s statement is, nor do they understand its significance. We do not give legal advice, however we strongly advise our clients to receive legal advice at all times.

Karma

“Karma” – dictionary meaning – the good or bad flow felt to be generated by someone or something.

How much is a home worth?

. Peace, tranquility, a place to reflect away from the rest of the world.
. Vibrancy, amenity, and comfort.
. Satisfaction, accomplishment, a statement of where you are now.
. Future options, a wealth count of good decisions over a lifetime or part of.
. Security – fort and temple.
. Family, you, friendships, a place of positive isolation where human interaction can be clear, clean and without compromise.

A good home is a place of this and much, much more.

All great homes are different and the one consistent difference is not price or style or distance from the CBD or water. The one consistent difference is the owner. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and has no greater variance outside human relationships than in home ownership. For the home to be a great dream, irrespective of its physical make up, it really does need to be a reflection, a happy expression of the people in it.

Some homes have all the bells and whistles required for significant , but they struggle or they are sold for a lesser amount than something down the road that to an engineer’s eye would be regarded as the same or inferior.

Why is that? Price? Maybe, but another issue is karma. The positive karma of a home has significant worth. It’s just that few try to quantify it, however it can be a critical ingredient in any great dream home.

In our detailed Property Reports, which we prepare before proceeding with any purchase, we focus on the other four other critical ingredients: Area, Position, Land and Building. But you should also think about the “karma” issues connected with a purchase.

Perth St Prahran had some great photos to help explain what we mean. The clients that bought this bought it the right way and for the right reasons.

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We hope you and your family have good karma over Xmas.

Why would you pay money to us to help you buy?

  • All properties are not the same. Think of a few houses in similar areas with similar characteristics and ponder what they were worth 10 years ago. What they are worth now? Will they have increased or decreased in value at the same rate? Not necessarily. We can show you inner city properties within a few hundred metres of each other that 10 years ago were each worth $400,000. Today, one is worth over $2,000,000 and the other $600,000. If you had been purchasing either of those properties, which one would you prefer to own now? We know the difference.
  • Strategies. How to buy, how to minimise cost, what to buy, where. How do I make an offer? What do I really want and how do I get it? Where do I want to be financially in the next decade? Why do some people own multiple properties without a mortgage and others have one property and are struggling? Strategy.
  • Saving money. This is the number one reason why most people think about advocates in the first instance, and in many, many cases we do just that. Whilst this is of primary importance in all business negotiations it’s interesting to note that clients we survey after the buying process, rate savings as the number 3 benefit in using James Buyer Advocates. Buying property well is as much about MAKING money as it is about SAVING money. Happy to explain in detail at our first meeting.
  • Property value. If you think saving money is about getting an agent to take a few dollars off the “asking price” or finding a cheap place “below valuation” then please lets talk some more. In many cases if you are not crystal clear on property values then you will be negotiating at a level that will not buy the dream home you wanted and may well leave you with a compromised property in the long run. Another of the most expensive and distressing mistakes a buyer can make is too pay way too much. Under these circumstances selling agents are very pleasant and helpful as they laugh all the way to the bank.
  • Stress & Emotion. Buying a home is about as bad as it gets. It’s emotional, exhausting and sometimes terribly discouraging. You only need to miss that perfect property, drive for miles to find the picture on the brochure didn’t nearly match your expectations (or what you’d been told), have agents leave you hanging or be gazumped in the negotiation stage. It hurts. Careful planning is paramount. It takes exactly the same time to buy a home well as it does badly. We find them, evaluate according to your needs, budget and what the property represents as a long term investment. Most people might only ever negotiate the most important financial decision they will ever make once in their lives. We do this all the time. We love it.
  • Expertise. If you were selling a home would you hire an expert? If you had to go to court on an important matter, would you hire a solicitor? Why is this? Because no matter the level of intensity an amateur operates at, an experienced professional understanding your issues and distanced from your emotions will give a better result with less risk 99 times out of 100.
  • ALL your options. There are hundreds of places out there you may never get to see. Quiet sales, private transactions, sales without boards. There are places out there you will not be given the opportunity to inspect because they are not advertised. We deal with agents every day, we find the ‘hidden’ houses as agents and vendors approach us quietly all the time.
  • Agents and Auctions. We actually like and respect many selling agents, but this is a minefield and gaining experience can cost you dearly. There are some pretty average but also some very good agents out there. They work exclusively for the vendor. If they are excellent and some are outstanding, then they are committed to gaining the highest possible price for their vendors – it’s the law. To understand more about how agents work, please view our critically acclaimed DVD “HOW AGENTS WORK”. You can view it online at www.jpp.com.au/video_audio.html or alternatively, if you prefer, we can send you the DVD.
  • Privacy. You may wish to keep yourself private as a bidder. You may have tried and failed to buy a particular property or maybe your business is really just that – your business. In any event, we represent you in complete confidentiality and until such time as the deal is successful, you can remain anonymous if you wish.


Some Client Thoughts

A recent email from a past client. Scott paid a little over $600,000 for his 3 bedroom Edwardian.

Mal and Antony

How are you? Hope business is going gang busters for you. I just thought I would drop you an email since it is one year since signing of the on Repton Road. Am I having any sleepless nights? NO. Am I on a sure thing? YES. Have I purchased the right property? YES. Have I improved my golf swing? Definitely NO. Price movement alone speaks for itself and shows that I have purchased wisely. I am definitely in front of where I was 12 months ago. Thanks once again Mal and Antony.

Also I wish you and your family a safe and happy Christmas.

Thanks
Scott

Dear Ian and Sam,

First of all, we would like to thank you for turning the stressful task of purchasing our first home into such a stress-free and wonderful experience! Having just migrated to Melbourne and not knowing much about buying the ‘right’ property, we decided early on that it was best to get professional help. And that was exactly what we found in James Buyer’s Advocate.

Throughout the whole process you were generous in sharing your knowledge and always reassuring when we had doubts. You were also honest with your opinions and never tried to steer us towards making an early purchase. Basically we were always assured that you had our interests in mind the whole time. In fact the whole process did not feel like a rigid, business transaction but more like a friendship. For this we will always be grateful that we found you.

What a fruitful exercise it has been. We are now just days away from moving into our very own home in Berwick. Plus with the arrival of our newborn son, Renji, we are very excited that we will finally have a place to call home in Melbourne. A new chapter in our lives is now unfolding. Thank you!

Best regards,
Eddie and Miki (and Renji)

Ian,

It’s only a week now before settlement and I would like to take this opportunity to thank you and your team for their professionalism and support over the last six months. You made the journey enjoyable and stress free and I learned many valuable lessons along the way.

Purchasing an investment property has been a goal of mine for many years, and with the abundance of properties available on the market I didn’t know where to start. You provided a methodology that was simple and well researched and this ultimately gave me the confidence to complete my first purchase – the first of many I hope.

What impressed me the most was your level of honesty and integrity. Your amicable and open style made the whole experience ajoy and I was never pressured to purchase any of The properties presented to me (including Rosslyn Avenue).

Thank-you so much for your support and I hope I can touch base with you occasionally to get your thoughts on the market – maybe over that cup of coffee you promised me in the early days.

Regards.
Michael Trigila

A short note/testimonial to thank Mal for assisting us with the purchase of Embling Road:

Finally we have been able to buy a property! After several months of searching and “trying” to buy from local Malvern agents, we met with Mal and immediately felt that we may be able to buy something.
When the right property did arrive, Mal “conditioned” us regarding the price to pay for the position & quality of the property.
The negotiations and finalising the sale documents was impressive and we really needed Antony, Kelly and Mal’s expertise here to get us over the line.
The knowledge, expertise & contacts that Mal can draw upon in his communications made us feel very comfortable with our new Townhouse purchase.
We are now relieved that we did not buy any of the properties that we were vying for prior to meeting Mal, Antony and Kelly. Shirl also says that Mal buys much better flowers than I do! So he’s good at that too!

Best regards,

Alec, Shirl & Anthony Arnot.

Dear Ian

The dust has settled and we are now waiting out the settlement time before getting into Bonnyview Street! I’m making use of your Aftersale Information in preparation for moving – thanks for this – another useful product from James Buyer Advocates.

Alan and I have reflected on the ‘journey’ that we undertook buying our first family home and we both agree that your input along the way proved to be extremely valuable. We have learnt much about real estate from you and found your manner and knowledge to be very enlightening and helpful. There is no doubt in our minds that your input reduced our stress and worry significantly – after all, once we’d found the property (and you had okayed It), all we had to do was decide how much to pay (taking into consideration your valuation of course) and let you go to work.

We know you worked hard and fast with the negotiations, and in the end it was quite painless for us – we kept on with our usual tasks while you kept us in the loop on the phone about the progression of the deal, Again, there is no doubt In our minds that your input made a significant difference to our ability to secure Bonnyview Street. I especially appreciated you accompanying me throughout the contract and cheque signing!

Given our family circumstances, we didn’t ever get to have the many café discussions that your information mentions – I look forward to being able to do that next time! Never-the-less, your flexibility to fit in around our schedules was great and much appreciated.

Best wishes
Colleen Young

Dear Mal, Kelly and Antony

It is with great pleasure that we write to express our heartfelt appreciation for your assistance in acting as our advocate on the purchase of our new home. We are now the proud owners of 3/43 New Street, Brighton and we honestly feel we couldn’t have done it without you. We thank you most sincerely.

As you are aware, in the last 10 months we embarked upon two very special journeys – both daunting and emotionally charged, but at the same time extremely significant in our lives. The one involved our relocation to Melbourne, the other, the process of buying our first home and putting down roots in this beautiful city. As with all life-altering events, we experienced both the agony and the ecstasy of these experiences. We are truly thankful to have had you as our trusted companion and watchful guide in the latter journey.

In July we felt relieved to have discovered the concept of engaging a ‘Buyer’s Advocate’, as the prospect of buying a house was proving to be a big challenge for us. From the start you put us at ease with your open, direct and friendly manner and very soon we had summed you up as a professional with a witty sense of humour: perceptive, knowledgeable and experienced in the property game.
Throughout the process you steered us in a logical, unruffled and unemotional manner. Every time we lost direction and focus, you firmly led our strayed thinking back to the criteria we were striving to meet. You anchored our thoughts and aspirations. May I also add that the whole time you were astute enough to understand that we, ourselves, had to realise the extent to which we could meet our expectations.

‘When the going got tough, the tough got going’ – Mal, you proved your excellent negotiating skills when you engaged in ‘tough’ dialogue with another agent and secured an extension on our current lease agreement, thus gaining us the time we needed to continue our property search. Between July and October, constant communication and numerous coffee, cake and lunch meetings cemented our sound working relationship. Being the good listener that you are, very soon you began to realise what these ‘fussy’ South Africans wanted.

3/43 New Street came along whilst we were seriously investigating two other equally exciting properties. At first you argued both the pros and cons of buying it, but when finally convinced that this was the property we really wanted and that it was a good buy, you sprang into action. Within a few days you had obtained the necessary background information, put together a detailed property report, concluded building and pest inspections and worked out a strategy for putting in an offer.

Although Friday the 13th was not a particularly auspicious day to be putting in an offer, we felt secure in the knowledge that we were going into it armed with your wise counsel and wealth of experience. As a result, the offer we made was perfectly pitched to secure the property (only by a whisker over someone else’s offer). The perfect ending to an experience that was extremely interesting, to say the least!

Without a doubt we will be contacting you when next buying property and have already recommended your services to our friends and relatives.
Many thanks for the beautiful flowers and champagne. They really added a special touch.
It’s been a real pleasure getting to know and trust you.
We look forward to enjoying many happy years in our new home.

Kind regards

Anthos, Martha and Costas
Yannakou

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Christmas Closings

Our office will be closed for the Christmas/New Year holiday break from December 23 to January 1, inclusive. We will re-open on January 2, 2007.

In addition, we are all taking a few hard earned days off during January on a rostered basis; please contact the office if you need to speak with a specific member of the team.

With the festive season again upon us, we thought it timely to include a wonderful Christmas recipe from Eileen James (Mal and Ian’s mum).

Dutch Ginger Cake

  • 1 ¾ Cups Plain Flour
  • ¼ Teaspoon Salt
  • 125g Preserved Ginger
  • 1 Egg
  • 185g Butter
  • 1 Cup Castor Sugar
  • 60g Whole Blanched Almonds
  • Hand full of glazed cherries

Sift flour & salt, add castor sugar and chopped ginger.
Melt butter over gentle heat. Allow to cool slightly.
Mix in beaten egg, reserving one teaspoon of egg for glazing.
Add butter to flour mixture, and mix well.
Press mixture into a Greased 20cm round tin.
Brush top with the remaining egg, and arrange almonds & Cherries decoratively on top.
Bake in moderate oven 180degC for 45 mins., or until cake is golden and firm to touch.
Allow to cool in tin, turn out, cut into wedges to serve.

Yummy!

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Market News March 2006


Overall the market for good quality family homes is currently in a spike – this spike is similar to the “good quality home” spike just after the last federal election. By spike we mean sale or purchase results well above the existing upward trend line.

Balance this with our opinion that the outer Melbourne market is now and has been at normal transaction mode (since spring 2003), which would be regarded as slower than the inner city market. The Peninsula markets (since early 2003) are now and have been almost dead except for high quality offerings and some surprise results.

So what does this mean to the buyer of homes in the inner Melbourne market?

At the moment, you will have to pay more to purchase your “dream home” than you did say, just before . How much more? Nobody knows for sure but maybe 10% and maybe a bit more in some circumstances if your home is in the ‘over a million’ category. Maybe 5% more if you targeted home is around $500,000. The figure of 10% is our opinion only and very hard to substantiate. It comes from purchasing about 20 properties since we last sent our newsletter, probably missing an equal number for a variety of reasons.

In December 2005, the market was transacting strongly. We purchased 7 properties in 8 days:

•  Townhouse in Clarendon St Armadale

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•  Family house in Sunset St Jan Juc

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•  Family house for overseas client in Balmoral St

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•  Family house in Regent St East

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•  Townhouse in Grey St Clifton Hill

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•  Development house in Park St

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•  Family house in Glenora Drv Vermont South.

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The last couple of weekends have been the biggest auction days for this year and during this time we have bought 5 properties:

•  Investment house in Rae St Fitzroy North

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•  Family house in Milton St Canterbury

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•  Townhouse in Ross St

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•  Townhouse in Paxton St

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•  Townhouse in Bendigo St Richmond

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Only two of those were bought at auction (see Auctions article in the newsletter).

Extreme example of spiking – 20 and 22 Church St Malvern.
Both properties are quality timber period homes, out the back of the Malvern Hotel and on good pieces of land (about 8000 sq feet). One sold late last year pre auction for about $1.8 million, which we thought was around the right money. It’s almost twin sold at auction a week or so ago for $2.5 million!

The combination factors that are causing this current spiking are:
1. Stock market gains mean buyers at the upper end have money; and
2. Big shortage of quality housing stock means buyers have little .

The market is in favour of the sellers at present for good quality family homes and in fact , despite what you may read, the market did not falter in 2003, did not miss a beat in 2004, continued up strongly in 2005 and has burst out of the blocks in 2006. Here, we do agree with what selling agents are saying.

Solution? Our suggestions have always been to secure the right when you can. If you currently are not able to, then you have to be patient and search diligently. It will happen if you don’t give up. Last year we purchased just under a 100 properties and a few of those took a while to not only find, but also purchase. The alternative would be to opt from the market and wait until it drops. We do not agree. Some people have been waiting since 1998 for the market to drop.

Even if you buy with a long term view, you may see some dropping in prices in the short term. Then again, you may not. You may need to have a buffer (eg additional line of credit or savings) for any interest rate increases (not obvious to us but who knows).

It’s an interesting time for buyers. Another recent example, 80 & 84 Linacre Road .
Both were thought to be worth about the same say, two years ago. In fact, 80 Linacre Rd was sold about 2 years ago for $860,000. It sold in February 2006 for $1,330,000 (we were an underbidder). No changes had been made to the property since it was last purchased. It was a great house. Two doors up was up for auction at the same time and didn’t get a bid at $850,000 (we were not interested either, although it was a reasonably presented Californian Bungalow). It is now on the market for private sale.

Everything we have said above applies to homes with WOW. You need to know if others share your WOW rating before you dive in and purchase. O therwise, you may be spending $150,000 unnecessarily.

Auctions

We would get on average 2 calls a week to go and put our hand up at auction on behalf of the caller. We ask the callers a number of questions:

  • have they received pest and building inspection reports?
  • have they completed some sort of property valuation or detailed Property Report
  • have they checked or had the Section 32′s and contracts checked by a solicitor?

By this stage the callers are usually getting a little short with us. All they want is someone to go to the auction and bid for them. We make two strong statements on this matter:

  1. We have only bought two properties on auction day this year (one was at post auction negotiations) and last year, of the hundred or so we purchased, less than a handful were at a Saturday auction. Why is this? A re we scared of auctions? No, we love the theatre. There are very good reasons for buyers to avoid auctions in these markets if they can .
  2. Hiring an advocate to put their hand in the air completely unprepared is like getting a lawyer to act for you at sentencing only. You have already stuffed up the research and pre-trial negotiations, failed at trial and been found guilty and now you want someone to keep your jail time to a minimum. Hey, we know it’s not that serious, but allow us a bit of colour when making this point.

At the moment, auctions favour the seller if they are being run by skilled agents. We believe that avoiding them is better than participating (if you can).

Case Studies – Due Diligence Completed in 48 Hours

We receive a number calls from people who are wanting to purchase a property but are not quite sure how to handle the negotiations. On most occasions, time is of the essence due to a forthcoming auction or the agent has rung them to say that the property that they are interested in has an offer on it.

This particular client called us on Tuesday. Here’s a snapshot of what happened:
Tuesday – first meeting with client.
Wednesday – went through target property, had paperwork checked by a solicitor and completed a full detailed Property Report . Second meeting Wednesday night to discuss Property Report .
Thursday – building inspection was already completed. Third and final strategy meeting on Thursday morning to discuss our recommendations and by Thursday lunchtime, we were sitting in the agent’s office when the deal was concluded.

We unfortunately didn’t purchase the property but our due diligence was completed within 48 hours and our client had a sound foundation for their decision not to purchase above a particular amount. The property was in Anderson Street South Melbourne .

Another example.

A client contacted us on a Tuesday to help him buy a property that had failed at auction.
Wednesday – we viewed the property, completed a Property Report and received the legal paperwork
Thursday – we discussed the Property Report with our client, looked at all possible negotiation strategies and received a legal opinion on the paperwork.
Friday – after agreeing on a strategy, we instigated it. After multiple calls with the agent we ended up in the estate agents office at 5.00pm with the vendors in another room. By 7.00pm we had completed a successful negotiation with our client leaving with a duly signed contract of sale. The property was in Paxton Street East Malvern.

Co-incidentally, both of the above happened last week.

Skilled Agents

The government is considering relaxing the rules on who can be an agent. Bring it on. Why? Because that would mean even more properties would not have a skilled and experienced selling agents selling them.

It would be great to get rid of those pesky selling agents who are skilled at their job because they DO make a huge difference to the end price. By all means, please encourage the unskilled, inexperienced and unqualified to sell as it makes it (for us) so much easier to buy.

Here are two recent examples of how the skilled make a difference. In the last few days, we have bought from Jeff Gole of Gole Peden (Paxton St Malvern East) and Scott Patterson of Jellis Craig ( Milton St Canterbury ). If we had been buying off unprofessional agents, a good result for both parties would probably not have been achieved.

How Do You Value a View?

There are views (eg view of the surf) and false views (eg glimpse of the water). When pricing a view, these are the things we consider:

•  Immediate foreground (eg nature or roofs of houses)
•  Middle or hinterland – do we see surf, beach or just large expanses of water
•  Background
•  Distance from say, geographical feature , water or valley
•  Distance from shops, transport etc
•  Supply restrictions – it might a good view but are there hundreds of similar views (eg Docklands , Queensland )
•  Land prices in immediate vicinity without the view
•  Possibility of being built out.

Views are “priceable”. We have just finished a 5 week post auction negotiation in Queenscliff where the view and the issues connected with the view were the main points of discussion. Here is another example of a property not being bought at auction (it was passed into us) and a price result vastly different from the vendor’s initial expectations. But it took 5 weeks.

Is Timber Making a Resurgence?

We don’t think it ever left us. It’s just that in Australia , for many, many years, timber has been regarded as the poor cousin to brick.

We have been involved with a number of timber properties recently including:

•  a $2 million spectacular timber home in Canterbury
•  a timber property in Linacre Road Hampton , which sold in excess of $1.3 million
•  a single fronted weatherboard which sold for $1.43 million in Prahran
•  a $1.75 million timber home late last year.

Here are a few reasons why we personally love timber:

1.  It does last – look at the single fronted Victorians that have survived and been revived throughout Melbourne .
2.  More prone to termites? There is plenty of timber in brick homes.
3.  More maintenance? Maybe a fraction more (eg painting) but brick cracks and is susceptible to rising damp.
4.  There is usually more light in timber houses because there is less support required for larger windows than for brick.
5. They are easier to renovate.
6. The jury is out on the insulation arguments. We can’t find any evidence that really shows that timber is not as good when well insulated.

Timber. It’s back – but maybe it never left us.

Buying For Your Children

We are getting more and more of these types of jobs from parents. We believe a good property to buy your children is a single fronted period home. Why?

1.  It can be rented out until your children leave home (or should we say, if they ever leave).
2.  They are usually cheaper than most bigger blocks with homes than aren’t much fun to live in.
3.  They are ideal for students.
4.  They can have a second storey put on when a family comes along (if a family does in fact come along – if it doesn’t, then unlike a big home, there is no extra unused space).
5.  Later in life, the property is not too big for a retiring couple.
6.  Make sure you are near shops, transport and parks.

Buying for clients’ children is an increasing market. Why shouldn’t it be?. It’s all very well for the many of us who have moved from say, outer areas to Bayside areas, but is it fair that our children have to move from Bayside areas to some new development on the outer edges of Melbourne ? Or worse still, rent all their lives? Think about it. Our children of course need love and an education, but they may also need a hand in housing as it has become unaffordable for most without assistance.

The Great Pool Debate

In many cases, pools can reduce the value of a home, especially if they dominate the backyard or are , let’s say “unclassy”. However pools with WOW, water features, gazebo’s, green space and privacy can add significant value to a property. They can even disguise some other faults of the property.

A classic example is 70 Rosedale Road (located in the real not Malvern/ or Burwood/) which sold two weeks ago. It eventually sold at auction for over $1.4 million and in our opinion, the classy pool, gazebo, fencing and landscaping (which would have cost $100,000 +) covered up some design issues connected with the house.

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Commercial Property

We have noted that a few financial planners are starting to push hard for clients to consider investing in commercial property. While we personally love commercial property (in particular, buying your own business premises) there are some ground rules. Here are 5 really important points:

1. Commercial properties ARE more risky purchases than residential properties and you should buy at a discount, NOT at a premium for the RISK involved. Up until a few years ago when there was not much super fund money around, commercial properties were bought on an 8-12% return. Now they can go as low as 4% return.
2. If you are getting 4% return and there is not a logical additional reason to purchase commercial, then why not buy the residential house down the street. Lower risk for the same return and maybe higher growth expectations.
3. A tax advantage is a plus, not a reason to invest. Growth is the reason to invest . If it isn’t going to grow, don’t buy it or understand you are making a lifestyle decision.
4. Growth in commercial property relates to rental amounts, quality of tenant, term of lease etc.
5. Renting commercial properties have completely different legislative requirements attached to them.

We buy commercial property. But not a lot. Good commercial is harder to find than good residential.

Investment & Competition

We got a glazed look from a new investment client recently when we said we love to see other bidders at what we want to buy.

Many “investors” think that buying a property investment is all about buying at a “discount” or buying off the plan for tax savings or other things. Many first time investors also think buying an investment property is buying a “special or different property”. This is NOT TRUE.

Property investment is all about paying $1 now and getting $2 or $5 in the future. It is about buying something that more people will want in the future () and that there will be less of (supply). That means price will go UP.

A really good indicator of the future is what is happening now. If you don’t want to live in the property now, why would a tenant want to live in it now or the future? If you don’t like the property now and you are a normal person, then why would lots of other normal people (ie buyers) like it in the future?

If you are seeing developers advertising really cheap deals on units in say St Kilda Road or Queensland , then why are they so cheap now? Because the developer is running a charity ? Because there has been such incredible growth in the past? No, because they are hard to sell at a higher price now and they will be hard to sell in the future at a higher price.

So if you are normal and other normal people are bidding now, that should make you feel good that in the future, others may well be bidding. It’s a simplistic way of making our point. Don’t be scared off by real and sensible competition when you are buying an investment property.

And also remember buy what you like, understand and have researched. A boring house, in a boring a suburb, next to a boring train line and boring shops with a boring agent and maybe two other boring bidders would be a good start.

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